โ09-02-2025 01:46 PM
Challenge: Streaming breaks zonemaps due to constant micro-batches.
Critical lesson: Never update the master zonemap on every batch!
Working on ML-driven index selection next. Interested in collaboration?
โ09-02-2025 02:00 PM
@ck7007 Yes i am interested to collaborate . AM stucturing the problem like below
the challenge is: How can we leverage the query performance benefits of zonemaps without sacrificing the ingestion performance of a streaming pipeline?
Problem Statement: The Streaming Indexing Dilemma
In large-scale data systems, zonemaps are a vital optimization tool. They store metadataโtypically the minimum and maximum valuesโfor columns within each data file. When a query is executed (e.g., SELECT * FROM table WHERE col > 100), the query engine first consults the zonemap. If a file's zonemap indicates its maximum value for col is 90, the engine knows it can skip reading that entire file, drastically reducing I/O and improving query speed.
The problem arises with streaming data:
โ09-03-2025 05:14 AM
Your problem statement is spot-on. The metadata contention issue is exactly what I encountered in production. Let's brainstorm solutions - I've tested several approaches:
Pros: Zero write contention, predictable consolidation
Cons: Query complexity increases, 3-tier lookup overhead
Results from production:
This reduces contention by spreading merge operations randomly.
The real bottleneck isn't the zonemap update itself - it's the snapshot creation in Iceberg. Every micro-batch creates a new snapshot, and updating the zonemap reference in each snapshot causes lock contention.
Strategy Write Impact Query Performance Complexity
Master Update Every Batch | -67% throughput | Best (2.1s) | Low | Hierarchical | -4% throughput | Good (3.2s) | High | Dual-Index | -5% throughput | Excellent (1.2s recent) | Medium | Decoupled | -2% throughput | Good (2.8s) | MediumMy RecommendationCombine approaches 2 and 3:
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โ09-04-2025 01:20 PM - edited โ09-04-2025 01:21 PM
@ck7007 brainstormed some solution approaches ., do you have some test data to test these hands on
Approach Throughput Query Speed Complexity Notes
Partition-level zonemaps | High | Medium | Low | Scales with micro-batches; prune at partition/file level |
File consolidation / Optimize | Medium | High | Medium | Reduces metadata churn; needs tuning for latency vs file size |
Deferred global index | High | Medium-High | Medium | Preserves streaming throughput; query may hit unoptimized files |
Bloom filters / secondary index | High | High | Medium | Low false positives; good for selective queries |
Delta predictive optimization | High | Medium-High | Low | Fully managed; minimal operational overhead |
โ09-04-2025 02:51 PM
@ManojkMohanYour comparison table is solid. I have test data and production metrics for these approaches. Here's what I found:
I tested with 100M records streaming at 50K records/sec. Here's actual performance:
Result: 48K records/sec throughput, 3.2s query time Issue: Zonemap explosion with high-cardinality partitions
Result: 35K records/sec (during optimization), 2.1s queries Problem: 15-second lag spikes during consolidation
This worked best for my use case:
Result: 49K records/sec, 2.8s queries (4.5s for unindexed recent data)
Result: Excellent for user_id lookups (0.8s), poor for range queries Memory: 12MB per million unique values
Result: 44K records/sec, 3.5s queries Limitation: No control over when optimization occurs
Combining approaches 1 + 3 + 4:
class HybridZonemapStrategy:
def __init__(self):
self.partition_zonemaps = {} # Approach 1
self.deferred_indexer = DeferredIndexer() # Approach 3
self.bloom_filters = {} # Approach 4
def process_batch(self, batch_df):
# Immediate partition zonemap
self.update_partition_zonemap(batch_df)
# Async global update
self.deferred_indexer.queue_update(batch_df)
# Bloom for high-cardinality columns
self.update_bloom(batch_df, ["user_id", "session_id"])
Production metrics:
I have a synthetic streaming dataset generator:
def generate_streaming_test_data():
return (spark.readStream
.format("rate")
.option("rowsPerSecond", 50000)
.load()
.withColumn("user_id", F.expr("uuid()"))
.withColumn("value", F.expr("rand() * 1000"))
.withColumn("category", F.expr("int(rand() * 100)")
Want to collaborate on testing? I can share my full benchmark harness with reproducible metrics.
Which approach aligns best with your workload characteristics?
โ09-08-2025 04:09 AM
@ck7007 if you fond the breakdown useful can you mark it and accept it as a solution
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